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Saturday, October 24, 2009

Would giving 12 million illegals amnesty invite 12 million more illegals from mexico & south america?

The problem is big businesses want cheap labor but it's the government federal state %26amp; local paying for all services for the illegals....from emergency rooms to schools.
Would giving 12 million illegals amnesty invite 12 million more illegals from mexico %26amp; south america?
Hmmmm didn't know George Bush as a Democrat. He wants to give illegals amnesty!!!





We will continue to have this huge influx of illegals as long as we refuse to enforce the exiting laws against hiring Illegals. We stopped enforcing the requirement for filing an I9 with every new hire in 2001. Now the only time the ICE guys show up is when the illegals at an an employer threaten or organize or report health and safety violations.





Enforce the current laws they won't be able to get jobs.
Reply:Gotta get infantry from somewhere.
Reply:If giving amnesty to them is similar to what happened last time, then yes. The plan of the last amnesty was to just let them stay to prevent spending lots of money tracking them down when some of them are helpful for America. Another element of that plan was preventing this in the future, securing the border, and getting real about enforcing immigration laws. The second component never materialized.





The problem is more complex than big business wanting cheap labor, you are neglecting the millions of lower class from foreign countries that are unable to find work and face high unemployment in their areas. In fact, big business wanting cheap labor is a given, it's a constant, and it will never change, the millions of unemployed lower class foreigners is why it happens.





Similarly, your analysis that the federal and state government pay for these services for them when they do is wrong, they might be the first party payee but I guarantee you they push this cost on all American citizens through taxes.
Reply:Of course.. if we give amnesty to this 12 million. we will barely turn around and another 12 million will be here... Real Americans will be looking for country to live in.





California might as well be Mexico now.





What is the matter with these people .. why do they think they can just come to our country illegally and stay and use our services and take our jobs.





OH yeah.. now I remember.. because no government is brave enough o fix the problem.. now the problem is overwhelming.. so what is going to happen.. shall we all start learning Spanish and forget English. Thanks Washington...
Reply:I wouldn't expect any different results than the last time amnesty was given - history is a very good teacher.
Reply:Uh McCain does to don't forget . Seems that issue has crossed party lines eh ? Depends on how it's carried out I suppose . If the border was secured this time and laws followed this time it might work but if they don't do that no it won't . We'll have more just like now .
Reply:We would be much better off with doing nothing about illegal immigration than granting amnesty to 12 million. This will only encourage 12 million more to come.





John McCain wants to give amnesty also.
Reply:To answer your question;





Yes, since the 12 million illegals given amnesty would quit working once they qualify for liberal social programs. Leaving 12 million jobs to fill by new illegals....
Reply:We did that a while back...now it's over 20 mil...how far will it go???








r1b1c...they are here illegally, therefore they are illegal...undocumented worker is a PC term that I have completely and soundly rejected. It's sugar coating for an ILLEGAL activity...I am willing to call them national trespassers if that helps!!











Dude...they broke the immigration laws by sneaking in. THEY ARE ILLEGAL, CRIMINAL, and have no right to be here.
Reply:Of course! Amnesty will not solve the problem, no matter how you look at it. The illegal immigrant problem will only worsen.
Reply:First there is no such thing as "illegal" learn English, the word is undocumented". In our system of law, only what has been explicitly forbidden by law is illegal, everything else is perfectly legal.





There is no law that explicitly forbids entry into the United States, there are a myriad of laws that REGULATE the entry into this country, so the correct way to refer to people that failed to follow established legal procedure for entry is UNDOCUMENTED, since in order for somebody to become 'illegal' there would have to be a law that they have actively broken. That is not the case, by being in the US without having followed the proper legal procedure for entry they are UNDOCUMENTED not illegal





Second, no because a comprehensive immigration reform would require control over the borders.

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